DON'T LET ANARKY READ....

Eternal Padawan · Post by **Eternal Padawan** » Fri Jan 12, 2007 12:12 pm

..WOLVERINE: ORIGINS 10!

The sight of his poor, powerless Jubilee with a steel girder through her tummy might make him upset.

anarky · Post by **anarky** » Fri Jan 12, 2007 12:18 pm

Marvel ended around 1994. Everything since has been a sad joke taking place in a pocket universe.

Seriously, after seeing how terribly the aftermath of her death in Uncanny about four years ago was handled, and the truly embarassing solo series, I don't give a rat's ass anymore. I'll still pretend to give a rat's ass, and the old stories by Claremont and Hama still kick ass, but I don't.

I'll never break character and admit that again, so remember this well.

Eternal Padawan · Post by **Eternal Padawan** » Fri Jan 12, 2007 12:37 pm

anarky wrote:Marvel ended around 1994. Everything since has been a sad joke taking place in a pocket universe.

Seriously, after seeing how terribly the aftermath of her death in Uncanny about four years ago was handled, and the truly embarassing solo series, I don't give a rat's ass anymore. I'll still pretend to give a rat's ass, and the old stories by Claremont and Hama still kick ass, but I don't.

I'll never break character and admit that again, so remember this well.

If it's any consolation, SHIELD was on the scene and probably medevaced her to a facility where the I-BEAM was safely removed from her midsection. In completely plausible fashion.

anarky · Post by **anarky** » Fri Jan 12, 2007 1:08 pm

And they whisked her away to a party with the other de-powered X-Men, so they could celebrate the last vestiges of Morrison's run on New X-Men being completely retconned out of existence.

I'm so disillusioned by Marvel in general, and X-Men in particular. Theoretically, they're awesome characters. Aside from maybe Superman and Batman (the real one, not the gay moderator), the main Marvel characters are probably the strongest ever created.

But the tendency now is "immediately disregard everything the previous creative team set up, but keep the status quo as static as possible until the next big crossover, where we'll shake things up in a way that does not logically proceed from what's come before."

When I saw X2, I bought the $0.25 issue of Uncanny. The one where Jubilee dies. Fuck it, you can retcon it and say she was only hurt really badly, but the chick was dead.

Truth be told, I was far more impressed by the issues of New X-Men I got shortly afterward, but that's a different story.

The details seemed to be setting up some major fan-hitting of a copious amount of shit. But not only did that writer totally miss ramifications that should be blatantly obvious, but future teams basically ignored them

Think about it:

You have a heroine who shares her name not only with a major event on the Old Testament calendar, but also one of the more important apocryphal Old Testament books.
The first thing she does when she meets our heroes is save the undisputed main character, Wolverine, from being crucified.
She fades into obscurity, only to suddenly show up out of nowhere, dead on a cross in the X-Men's own backyard.
And she is brought back from the dead.
Not to mention she's brought back by being infused with blood (one of the major symbols of the New Testament).
Did I mention the blood came from a guy named Archangel?

I mean, fuck, what kind of majorly stupid writer do you have to be to miss the religious symbology here? Especially since you were personally responsible for the last four? You hit us over the head with this shit and then don't even catch it yourself?

Not only that, but the chick dies for probably a few hours, her boyfriend is dead and doesn't recover, and she goes to a fucking bachelorette party, all happy-go-lucky, an issue or so later?

Yeah, that kind of shit made me wish Nicieza was still writing every book at Marvel.

Diabolical · Post by **Diabolical** » Fri Jan 12, 2007 5:54 pm

Plus, didn't Jesus shoot sparkles out his fingertips also?

Eternal Padawan · Post by **Eternal Padawan** » Fri Jan 12, 2007 7:07 pm

You wouldn't think in a world where Thunder Gods and Hercules and such are "real" (IE they've interacted with people, been on TV etc) that Christianity would have such a strong hold on the population. And if Thor and the like are running around, they why can't Jesus join the Avengers?

Post by **vynsane** » Fri Jan 12, 2007 9:25 pm

jesus couldn't join the avengers... he was a mutant!

Diabolical · Post by **Diabolical** » Fri Jan 12, 2007 11:45 pm

vynsane wrote:jesus couldn't join the avengers... he was a mutant!

Beast was an Avenger.

Zero · Post by **Zero** » Tue Jan 16, 2007 7:29 pm

SITUATION: UNFORTUNATE

JUBILEE: TASTY LITTLE NUMBER

CURRENT IDIOM: NOT SO TASTY

Giraffe · Post by **Giraffe** » Mon Jan 22, 2007 8:56 am

*Giraffe sound*

Eternal Padawan · Post by **Eternal Padawan** » Mon Jan 22, 2007 3:01 pm

Giraffe wrote:*Giraffe sound*

Once again I have to run this through the Universal Translator Tomato.

Giraffe via UTT wrote: Jubilee was a much needed addition to the core X-Men cast at the time she was introduced. The X-Men's world had become so bleak, they needed an outside perspective and thus were added the spunky young Jubilee and the macho man's man Gambit to shake things up. As time went on, their original usefulness was outweighed by continuing the story, especially in light of Wolverine finding out his origins, discovering another pseudo-daughter in X-23, and now, a son. Jubilee has become, in the eyes of Daniel Way, Joe Quesada, and the rest of the Marvel editorial staff, as superfluous. But her resonance with older fans still holds weight and killing her off would be more shocking than say, killing Charlotte Jones. So now she has an I-beam in her torso.

jjreason · Post by **jjreason** » Tue Jan 23, 2007 5:17 pm

I don't think she's dead. Dum Dum Dugan, on the other hand.... that looked nasty. Wolverine Origins is currently at the top of my reading pile.

Eternal Padawan · Post by **Eternal Padawan** » Thu Jun 14, 2007 6:03 pm

Jubilee Update. Now I don't know this for sure, but they had a few pages from New Warriors #2 up at toynewsi.com and it shows a masked New Warrior on the TV and the New Avengers are watching the news and Wolverine gets a funny look on his face and gets up real close to the screen scrutinizing this mysterious new hero.

I think it's Jubilee with a new identity.

Eternal Padawan · Post by **Eternal Padawan** » Mon Jul 09, 2007 5:09 pm

Sure enough. Jubilee is now a New Warrior.